I have heard of that but where I was they called it worksheets and it was a room with about five Cubbies with stools in front of them and you had to sit there for up to 24 hours straight and the only thing you could do besides sit there was your independent school studies. but if you find out somting in this manner and confront him with it before hes ready it might backfire. He agreed, and I got out by the start of 97. Yes, I was 16, doing some recreational drug use, maybe a little overboard with the speed, esp so young but whatever,but when i got out i moved out of my parents house, bounced around, no real address for a few years, and was mainlining by the time i was 18. after getting in some trouble, i got out of all of that. Only white cotton undergarments from now on. It was crazy. Real deep voice. E thats just his name and he cant hang you got to get out the game!!!! Its dangerous out here, are her parents in the loop and on their way?? Most of our trips include rods, flies and we rent waders. I was in spring creek in 2006, unity group I got kicked out for being disobedient and fighting they sent me to tranquillity bay for 9 months. Lol, i left christmas day 2000. i was also in excel. And a guy David Leech (is that Goofy?) The mental and emotional abuse affected me the most. When I got home I looked up the school online. Yeah they kinda encouraged that in our special cases didnt they. And just cause they flew the same colour rag, the crips n scraps clickes up. Hi. These locations are operated by professional third-party food contractors and their operating systems do not currently offer guests . I still call bagels bag-els because of him. We shared rumors and strategies to get out. Hows life? If anyone knows where to get any help in the tacoma seattle area please post an email or something here. BOOK NOW (406) 932-4387 CLOSED FOR THE SEASON. Dan Peart is Robert Browning Litchfields brother-in-law. er cetera, it changes you. She is on the tracks and we are about to release 4-5 trains at full speed , she could have been in the middle of that bridge and never had a way off if a train came over. Man its crazy to read all of these stories. I was put out there with kids coming off drugs and had been in gangs. i havent heard the term before. Thank God!! but i remember being really happy when you guys did that, like at least someone else thought that place was stupid and did something. Lol fuck that place! Shes got minimal footwear. Everyday I contemplated suicide, it seemed the only way to get freedom. They did not care about the kids. I have those same dreams. 257 Main Boulder Rd, Big Timber, Montana 59011, 406.932.4387 I am very happy to hear that this place is closed, but the memories from what the staff members did to me there will stay forever. When it was more like an experiment on kids.All the mind screwing and torture that we went through. It was getting on toward evening, the end of the day, Cold temps, animals, trains, human predators, and I felt the dangers ahead out weighed the other dangers she might face in custody. If anyone Remembers Brian McLaren and wouldnt mind telling me what you remember of him or of the time span he was there it would be most helpful.Thanks. Ranches and farms are some of the most worthwhile and secure investments you can make. Our HS transcripts do not exist. O'Dell Spring Creek Map RAINBOW VALLEY LODGE 4781 US HIGHWAY 287 N POST OFFICE BOX 26 ENNIS, MONTANA 59729 (406) 682-4264 (800) 452-8254 FISH THE MADISON RIVER O'DELL SPRING CREEK HATCH CHART FLY SHOP SPRING FISHING FLY FISHING PACKAGE MONTANA TROUT STREAMS Upcoming Events Dec 9 All day Spirit of Christmas Stroll View Calendar PRIVACY After leaving there it was back to reality of what the program had to offer. I can honestly say I was glad I went to spring creek because I did 10th thru 12th grade of high school in just 10 short months, I would have never received a high school diploma if it wasnt for spring creek. These fools knocked on his door and the guy was like what the fuck do u want in a deep voice and they just apologized said they were looking for one of the students because he is missing and plane is about to take off. You guys were nuts haha, so was I. Cameron had a running tab at the local bars. HOWEVER I tramsferred to Tranquility Bay in Jamaica but returned to Thompson Falls in May of 04. Livingston, MT 59047. My name is Scott Swayze and I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 1996 until October 1998. We were put through the monotony of their daily brainwash therapy. Its hard to put into words. It was a cross between a military school and a cult. I was there in 2004 in eternity family. But that doesnt mean that the entirety of the Program was Bullshit or wasnt Helpful. I adored many of those kids. It was scary. Mad respect always Talked a night staff that was in college and obviously had no friends, to bring me chew and cigarettes by the carton. Whether you had a good experience or not, never discredit the pain of others because you have no idea what those kids had to experience behind closed doors. I remember you and can remember your love of old classic muscle cars. Its been awhileI cant say much for my short stay that others havent. I knew Joah at Sprimg Creek. I spent twenty seven and a half months there. At least one of the 10 campsites overlooks . Continue to be happy, take care of the young ones and the wife, and be thankful. The service requires full JavaScript support in order to view this website. Climate risk data is provided for informational purposes only. I was there a short time and left two months before my 16th birthday. They told me not to run. I was also there before the 90s nicely done with your post, ive told a few people the same story pretty much verbatim, weird. There was no way in hell I was going to become another statistic. All this being said, I DO want to visit someday. The ranch has been endowed with some of the most impressive natural resources found anywhere in the west all of which have been enhanced and protected by the current owners' stewardship practices. Hey Billy, its James from those early daysI think we were in Brightway together and took the same van trip from Utah to Montana. Simply try to forgive, forget, and move on. Went to Golden Coral, gun shop lol. I never saw the man so quiet and he just looked at me in horror and disbelief at the things I told him. Susan I was in springcreek from 1999to 2000. I am writing a book about WWASP, their people and practices, past student experiences and abuse, and more. If he worked at Spring Creek Lodge, he had to be aware of the abuse that was occurring. ;-p. Yeh like Waddup? Id love to find more of you and preferably more optimistic but I fully understand if bad experiences happened. i know you just want to help and i envy your husband for having such a committed wife. I was there may 2001 to april 2002. I was there in 2006 i believe I was in courage family the place was hell I never passed level 1 I remember the room at the top of the hill the most the punishment room intervention or whatever it was called I spent most my time there it smelled like piss and or puke it was exactly like a prison sell except In prison we got a mattress and a tv there we got a stinky carpet covered wooden or metal bunk I spent several years in prison and that place made prison seem like a resort its probably half the reason I went to prison it institutionalized me at 15 it made me numb to being incarcerated incarceration felt normal and easy compared to that shit hole if there are any lawsuits I can join please contact me tirnerlegacyconstruction@gmail.com. I remember you vaguely. Maybe not though. I found out yesterday chaffin was arrested as a child molester for having sex with one of the girls in the program. After sitting in isolation for about 3 weeks I was finally back to my next way out of here. Did my time in tbe marines and served my country in afgan and irq. The only thing that I can think of that made it better on you that was that were there as a adult and they knew you could legally leave on your own. That was what it was before your time. Sending everyone love and healing from all this awful shit. So glad to see your all still alive. I remember some really young kid.. cant remember his name. Why would this ever be acceptable to parents? That was all the best craziest I can say right now or Ill be typing for atleast a week. I was sent away because I was a less than desirable child to have in your home. I spoke to the girl. He was in a program in Idaho. We were in incredible shape at this point being near 16 and they had given us real camp food again since we werent in the desert. The oldest was Jay at 17. Good job!!! Dont even get me started on the seminars. One he liked a lot, the other was opened and managed by a former employee of SCL. But I try and find the good things. For your info the trail of light still existed after 2000. It was almost daily that you were in the hobbit. Fuck this place. just Stop. Most who praise these places are shills who profited off of it. If we screwed up we would be put in a tent with the same meager rations from the Arizona desert or forced to walk 10+ miles. Be prepared boys and girlsRoger is as dumb and sadistic as it gets. Fly fishing DePuy Spring Creek requires a seperate rod fee and check in. The girls mother also sued them for wrongful death and neglect. I was forced to sleep in a tent with members of the opposite sex. And all of that sounds pretty bad. I didnt do drugs or break any laws, cut myself, or even have sex. I found your site after reading a cautionary review on Amazon.com of Teen Whisperer by Mike Linderman. Water is abundant on the ranch with potential to irrigate approximately 500 acres, and numerous springs, creeks and . I was a naive kid that cared deeply about what others thought of me, I figured staying out of peoples lives would make me feel better. Sounds terrible I thought about her and how terrible her parents might feel right now. Kootenai Springs Ranch is a genuine masterpiece enjoying almost every amenity imaginable man-made and those of higher origin. What people didnt see was my home life. The main home, consisting of 4 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms, was built in 1900 and remodeled in 1992. But nobody seemed to raise an eyebrow or voice concern that locking young teens in a barred cell in a shack for days, and weeks at a time. That place SUCKED and i would never put my children in something like this. My name is a Nick Theriault. I make the call on the radio to let her cross and not approach her. My name is ERic Rios, i was there from 2001 2002 I was in respect family, I recall the day I went in October 3, 2001 and the day I left April 21, 2002, Anyone remember Tinkerbell the big black guy with cold teet????? The East Gallatin is a technical fishery and spring creek style techniques are often employed. And I KNOW it ruined his. I was like most taken in the middle of the night from my bed in western washington over to Montana. He even gave me his T-shirt when I left at the end of 96it was a Petaluma shirt. I couldnt get my grandparents to believe any of this was happening but there is now proof. I would say more but it seems its already been covered. My moms the only one but Ill never talk to her again. They have been evicted from the La Verkin properties by Robert Lichfield (Optimum Billing Services). I made friends with girls who felt the same way. Join our Newsletter. I think the staff knew what I was doing and how I was making it bleed and so they wanted to put me in this position to make me stop. At its peak it housed over 500 students. It was merciless cold of January. Oh I remember you all to well. There was also this one time when a girl from one line saw her boyfriend from home walking in another line and they ran to each other and kissed. Ive known people who have done it. Do I still have anger issues? I was led to believe that I was going on a vacation with my Mom to Park Cities, Utah. Im so glad that the TV show that was supposed to be based on SCL and Mike Linderman didnt take off. I get that he worked at Spring Creek but that doesnt make him a bad apple too. I started in a lower-level family that I cant remember the name for the life of me, Integrity maybe? I remember gravel pit and how fresh and revived I felt afterwords. She said that she has worked with many students and has a 95% success rate of getting us were we need to go. Who the hell were these guys? That I saw through it like that and just wanted nothing to do with it after one. I never believed the kids were bad. That place did way more harm than good. I was at SCLA in their final days of neglect and deceit. Second comment, my last came up as a reply idk why not my intention. Then they finally let me talk to my mother. The ladies were odd. Wtf? They put us through seminars that were some weird brain washing bullshit. With over 1.5 miles of fishable riffles, runs, and pools, the spring creek is a classic trout stream offering great dry fly, nymphing and even streamer water. Put me in an insane asylum for two weeks while waiting to be taken to Jamaica where I found out what hell truly was. One by one, we all watched new kids come in. I remember my stay thers like it was yestetday. If I slammed my child onto the ground, chicken-winged them, locked them into a small room or made them lay on their face or assume so-called stress positions (which have been ruled torture and not allowable even for detainees being interrogated in Gitmo) for days on end, I would rightly be charged with child abuse. My email is lynette.shifflett@gmail.com Id anyone wants to talk and share. It sucked when you had to lug that thing around. Looking back we were just kids and the most important time of a young mans life his adolescence. So for any parent that reads this that thinks about sending there kid off to some place you have no clue whats going on. Im sorry it happened to anybody. I was there in 1998 I was 16 and in Destiny. I was in Serenity from 1999-2002. Fuck culkins but the one I hate was jeff colby. I kept my mouth shut and the next night they were gone. And I wished they would of just let me get through that part of my life whether I would of gotten arrested and had to do some jail time. The fresh air, mountain views and peaceful setting will make you wish you never had to leave. They could have structured a program that actually helped the majority of the kids there Instead they were a cash grab desensitized werdio group of muppeteers that used some weird ass point/level system off of bizarre seminars for days on end where you had to do shit that if you walked up to anyone in there right mind would tell you youre nuts if you participate in something like that. That morning we drove deeper and deeper and higher and higher into the forest on a mountainside. screservations@itstriangle.com, 257 Main Boulder Road, Big Timber, MT 59011. It was winter time and the most snow Ive ever seen. Maybe youve heard of those schools where they pick you up in the middle of the night and you disappear. There are some irrigated meadows with the balance of the ranch in pasture, brushy coulees, and scattered timber. They gave the kid a pack and told them to go!!!!! At its peak it housed over 500 students. I will ask him. One day we heard that two boys managed to leave. I was assigned a family and a back-stabbing bunk buddy. The staff loved restraining people and I specifically remember Shawn Stewert getting excessive joy out of it. I packed a few books for the road and got into a car with two ex-cops. This is the shit that bugged me out about this place you had kids trying to be super cops to other kids. ( A kid who came to the school the month after I did almost lost his toes to frostbite. If you have difficulty accessing content, have difficulty viewing a file on the website, or notice any accessibility problems, please contact us at 833.982.1964 to specify the nature of the accessibility issue and any assistive technology you use. . Galt Ranch spans 248,023 acres in White Sulphur Springs, Montana. I was there in 1999. I was in spring creek lodge academy for feb 2005 till August 17 2007 lower levels i was in charity upper levels i was in hope family. Chaffin nor Dana didnt have the balls to drop me from lvl 6 when they found out about the rampant cheat in their successful school program. I didnt need to run and hide in bumfuck montana! The padded rooms etc was just so crazy. I was hoping theyd let me talk to my mom if I made it serious enough and instead they sent me to the town doctor who said he would need to cauterize my nose because it wouldnt stop bleeding. Most people here have bfs/gfs and leaving their IG handle and e-mail. After that, I was sent back to scl for my last year (17-18). Instead of standing in formation, Id sit down and start a conversation considering I stopped caring in the least about points. Other schools like it have also been shut down for similar reasons including suicide/attempted suicide of the students and lawsuits thanks to allegations of child abuse and neglect/ human rights violations. Not another sheep in one of your workshops. Did any girl ever have anything similar happen to them? Well, I cant believe Im reading this as I sit here with my wife remembering the horror stories. I was introduced to levels and a complicated point system. The town of Dillon is the charming western stop for all necessary amenities. Your own little Yellowstone in Big Sky, Montana on stunning 20 acres. And Matt from Alaska. He would have been in a completely different place and what happened to him maybe never would have. I hope Chaffin and Cameron get what they deserve. Picturesque fly fishing properties can be found on rivers like the Big Hole, Beaverhead, Yellowstone, Smith, Jefferson, Madison, Gallatin and many other prolific, native trout fisheries, while the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem provides the backdrop to Montana horse and cattle ranches. But shipping a child away is no option. At first I think its a family dispute but thought it was odd (two white women chasing a young hispanic girl) As I passed by them with my truck I pay attention to every detail I can. Finally I somehow stuffed my shit together in the pack and finally they helped me after my pack fell apart because I packed it one handed. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google. A few times a week I would help in the kitchen making food and washing dishes. Lol. I was in and out of worksheets/intervention from walking opposite direction as my (courage)family group on purpose to always keep the staff on their toes I guess you cn say I have a problem walking a straight line with others? One of the customers overheard us and said there is a girl about 1 mile up near the storage sheds on the right and there are two guys talking to her. I saw her at the desk and heard the door auto lock behind me and two staff members grabbed me. There are two guys there, large stature and have radios in there hands. and Brock and Scottand Damon (?) Thank you, Cow country is calling you and your family to come enjoy the benefits of western living! There was 2 of us that actually pulled off the escape and made it all the way to Washington before we split up. Im frankly embarrassed that I even passed the first one. Not the place to be if you wanted a good nights rest. He was only about 15 minute drive from his house also when his dumb ass told his parents where we were so I just said please tell them I dropped u off here and I jumped back in truck and went to a pay phone by air port. And WORKSHEETS!!!!!!!! During our P.E. some life skills courses, trade courses. I was the only guy there from Alaska. After I sent her there things began to calm down at our home and I realized how broken our family was and made big changes at home. That place made spring creek look like the Hyatt. They threatened to send me to a facility in Mexico or Jamaica where there are even less regulations. That place was a trip! CONTACT 406-222-6560. You know it doesnt make you Look Smart, right? I repressed memories about my transport and time at SCL for years. I tried to comply once against my better judgment. There are so many more facesI cant remember names. They fuckng made me live in the tpee in the winter for like 2 weeks. isnt it funny how some guy would be support staff one day and then hes your teacher the next day. I begged for help and they wouldnt help me. Whatever you do, take it out on the Utarded Mormon mafia running these placesnot yourself. Staff worked us like slave labor chopping down trees. Spent a lot of my time in intervention. The stream continues to flow another 2.8 miles before the confluence with the Yellowstone. I kept in touch with Henry a bit. Hahaha Laurie, that was my counselor. I was in quest the night that kid beat the shit out of night staff and tried to escape. Join Chick-fil-A One .Earn points with every qualifying purchase. Loved many of them. I dont think I will ever get past the trauma caused by SCL, and I know I can never forgive my parents for it either. This is utterly ridiculous nonsensical logic. I dont know if anyone still checks this site but if so, please let me know if you were in Charity in 2005. I met someone at physical therapy one day and I over heard him say I hate myself I asked him why he said it and he said he was sent to a horrible program where they tell you and make you believe that you hate yourself. hate calling that camping ground with cabins a campus, I went to College Prep Schools in New England before SCC Referring to SCC as a school with a campus just perpetuates the lie Cawdrey fed our parents. We were all placed in a room and told the school was shutting down and one by one they would point at us and say Youre going home, youre going to Cross Creek, youre going to Spring Creek I was level 4 at the time and thought maybe my mom would let me come home because I was now an upper level and this school was shutting down because of some serious negligence and boy was I wrong. I started out as night staff and then switched over to day staff. I stole a car twice, escaped, robbed a liquor with a stolen car and brought tobacco back to feed the masses. I was there 15 years ago. The combination of abundant food options and gin clear waters produce conditions that require stealth and match the hatch presentation. It was an action born of us sitting up at night talking when we were family leaders trying to make sure we didnt get programmed. Hmmm.. it was a joke. Located in the upper Blackfoot Valley near the gateway into the Bob Marshall Wilderness, the 1,185 acre Nevada Spring Creek Ranch features a dynamic blend of water resources including over 5 miles of a restored Spring Creek, nearly 6 miles of Nevada Creek--a major tributary of the upper Blackfoot River--and hundreds of acres of pristine wetland habitat. Professional guide services are a great option to acquaint an incoming owner with the water. Just looking for pictures and memories good and bad. You would go sleep on a piece of plywood with a staff member in front of the door. We planned it last second coming back from eating and we said right before we go back in this building were going to take off for the mountain. The restored wetland complex provides world class waterfowl hunting and endless wildlife viewing, and the spring creek and Nevada Creek are home to wild and native trout species. It was basically my job to monitor and discipline the students. Needless to say it struck me as odd. 2004 SCL was investigated concerning the death of a 17 year old girl byThe Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services (DPHHS) resulting in a complaint filed for child abuse and neglect against the school and specifically its directors, Cameron and Chaffin Pullan. I vaguely remember that if that is you. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 2002 to 2003. Youd be moderator in no time. I was put on a plane to Arizona in December and I ended up being forced marched through the canyon country for 3 weeks. With no access to telephones or computers, my only connection to the outside world was through letters to my parents. Choose from Montana's largest selection of fishing and lodging packages. We were simply cut off from our life, our families/friends, our world. The more eyes on this the more this facility will have a spotlight on them. I was there from like Nov 2001 to July 2002 in Innocence. REDFIN and all REDFIN variants, TITLE FORWARD, WALK SCORE, and the R logos, are trademarks of Redfin Corporation, registered or pending in the USPTO. In 2006 Spring Creek Lodge was entangled in yet another lawsuit, this time on behalf of 353 plaintiffs, all citing multiple abuses and fraud at the WWASP program and various affiliates. Not to mention whats his name who ran the seminars that guy was a damn psycho. I was gonna go back this year for closure of some sort. The seminars helped release all of that pent up anger. I understand that being given level 5 may have seemed like such a dope reward for hardly having to work for it but looking back on it now I just think what a joke the whole moving up thing was. Since I wasnt compliant they would consequence me for minimal things just to watch me lose it and get restrained. I cant ask her any info from whatever family thing she came from without sounding suspicious but I can say her name is Randi. I get off work. Then after the kuymbya gathering of reading your paper you repeat the lining up the heel toe the no talking to go to class. My boyfriend (at that time) got sent there in 1999. Privileges you lost at home because of that lack of respect. Montana. I wanna say Jason, not sureand there was the guitar playing guy Rich, or Rick (?) Id also like to point that schooling in this program left something to be desired, and doing three entire grades in 10 months is a good example of why. Yeah we can be imature we thought we knew everything its apart of growing up I always remember thinking how come everyone just doesnt stay on level one if everyone can do that theres no way this program could survive! She was apparently walking the tracks and we had trains running at high speed through there. This is akin to the argument that it is okay to hit (or rape) a woman if she is asking for it. Recently Sold in Montana Antelope Creek Ranch $29,500,000 The Antelope Creek Ranch is located approximately 6 miles west of Big Timber, 28 miles eas Harwood Ranch $25,000,000 Straddling Gallatin and Madison Counties in southwest Montana, the Harwood Ranch is one of Lazy TP Ranch $24,500,000. Rebecca, i was part of that naked girls running. Idk if anybody ever looks at this shit anymore, as 20 years in the past comes and goes. I was unaware that a website like this existed until a girlfriend of mine told me about it. Ha! Anyone who remembers me should get at me on facebook. I went to Clearview Horizon Academy in May of 2014, worked my ass off thanks to him, and graduated in October of 2015. Lodge packages include all meals and guided fishing so you can sit back, relax and enjoy a great fly fishing vacation, Enjoy great fishing and keep your costs in check with one of our hotel packages. I was there jan2005 to 0ct2006 I was was Serenity. We used to call SCA the Kiddie Farm It was sad. I finally talked to him when I was old enough to understand that he would never and could never understand. He beat a staff up with a vacuum tube if I recall correctlyinsanity breeds insane behavior if you ask me. The creeks have prolific hatches that occur throughout the year. I was never the same after leaving the program. If not you have no right or idea what you are talking about. These folks eventually kicked me out, wanna know where they sent me? I dont see that as an excuse for doing what he did if he did it, but yeah, he was screwed with like all of us. Didnt they make David roll around in the mud to get dirty since he liked to be sharp dressed normally? $10,975,000. It was 1996. Me and Mark? Its a great place with great people that are here to help As I said that I looked right in the eyes of the older lady. I was in the program from 02-03 I was in unity family. Your email address will not be published. This is my first time seeing this website, Maybe Ill share my story where it all started. Dont remember fight with dignity. Looked like ex cops or FBI, something. Did you have braces? Ihave been trying to find one person if anyone is still in contact. It was completely unexpected, I didnt get to say goodbye, and I was permitted to return home like I wanted. It truly breaks my heart that these programs have had that kind of power, to drive children into such sorrow that they see no way out. it was hilarious but annoying. Sure it sucks not beig able to eat or watch tv when you want and you have to follow a bunch of bullshit rules. I actually found this page because I had to list my graduating school which was spring creek.