IP . Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. how this would manifest? That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. Such a great article! I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. The Autumn Schedule is Here! We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Dear Dawn, I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) And what does it mean our 12th. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. I am sufficiently haunted. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. !! I have met my match. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. I will look into it. You might have a relationship that was so intense, which left you hurting. 4 months passed since then. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. Could I ask Your opinion? These are just a few of the synastry aspects. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. Or ? The attraction was instant. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! You have nailed my experience. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). Hey Dawn! Unable to forget it? I dont know whether this situation is karma? Bright blessings to you. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. P.S. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. Id appreciate any information. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? 12th House Meaning. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. Our situation was kind of complicated. AT ALL. Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. When there are clusters of planets there are no simple solutions. Just endings in general. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. mercury and mercury conj. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? . Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. Most of my relationships are like that . Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. 1. I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! this is honestly so beautiful to read. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. Im always attracted to those types of relationships Youre a poet of poets. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. Lilith in the 12th House. Im trying to figure it out. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. 08.05.20. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? Im a Pisces sun 7house. scares me a bit. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. It also works the other way. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. I don know what to do. He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. Thank you SO very much for this post. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. Thank you. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. Its more complex than just the composite positions. WhiteLotus. It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. Aghh! They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. We are still friends and well always love each other. venus+mars, etc. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. I just am hesitating. At all. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. 12th house issues are not always supportive. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). IP: Logged. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. Im glad youre enjoying it. The Anti-Vertex, on the other hand, is located in the opposite house of the Vertex (the 11 th , 12 th , 1 st , 2 nd , or 3 rd houses), which relate to personal concerns . Our lives are silly and sublime at once. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. One thing Ive noticed with these people is that other people usually notice their . I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. VERY-VERY SORRY! As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. Thats for start. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. Lilith in the 12th House is an unusual placement because it revolves around the dark side of your life and its unseen parts. Just not what I wanted to hear. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. That may mean leaving you behind. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. We are both married similar age kids. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. Composite Sun in 1 st House. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. What do You think about Davison Chart? Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. Was our purpose to heal each other? I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. venus+mars, etc. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. He knows me better than I know myself at times. I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Its not special, its common. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. Your relationship usually starts out as a friendship or as "good friends". They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. Please your opinion. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. Just a knowing if you will. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. We communicated telepathically and still do. Transit Mercury in the 12th House Meaning, Transit Birth Chart, Mercury Astrology Free Interpretations . It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. What is the best approach? When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Oh the powers of the 12th house. A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. So much uncertainty and confusion!! The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. It has been a very long journey! In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Composite Venus in the 12th House. In astrology, the Twelfth House governs the unconscious, addiction, jails, higher self, and psychic abilities. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Lilith in the 12th house are really good at hiding their "lilith" nature and because of this they are usually popular. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. He literally proposed to me the night we met. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood.