22:13) if it is also a place of perpetual fire (Matt. Any person who inherits one of the . How many people. Clearly, when it comes to perdition and outer darkness, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me, and anyone who speaks on the matter has a dizzying intellect. Also, the whole thing about Daughters of Perdition. Now go take a nap and rest well! Thus, by the definition given by the leaders cited above, these people cannot be considered sons of perdition. lucifer. By EntropyJustKillUsNow, March 29, 2017 in Social Hall. . Then is the time when their torments shall be as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever; and then is the time that they shall be chained down to an everlasting destruction, according to the power and captivity of Satan, he having subjected them according to his will. There was a movement a few years ago to have people deny the holy spirit on Youtube, where many a youtuber claimed they would now go to Outer Darkness. The term "outer darkness" refers to the place to where Satan will be banished. See Michael Hicks, Joseph Smith, W.W. Phelps, and the Poetic Paraphrase of The Vision, Journal of Mormon History 20 (Fall 1994) 2: 63-84 for discussion of authorship of this poem.). Everyone but the Sons of Perdition and the devil and his devils, will overcome spiritual death through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Jesus proclaimed to Peter that the gates of hell would not prevail against the rock upon which He would build the Church (Matt. The Book of Mormon clarifies that the lake of fire and brimstone is a metaphor for the suffering of the wicked. This is a place very close in nature to the biblical hell. In this state of torment Alma remembered his fathers teachings about Jesus Christ and his redemptive mission. First of all, to become a son of perdition, you need to have been baptized into the church, then turned from the religion in order to fight against it, all the while knowing it is true. According to Smith: It is very clear in the Doctrine and Covenants Section 76:30-37, that the only persons who will be completely overcome by this dreadful fate are the sons of perdition who go with the devil and his angels into outer darkness. (Answers to Gospel Questions 5:107-108). They will live in eternal darkness, torment, and misery with Satan and his angels forever. Salvation is release from the guilt and power of sin through God's gift of grace. In contrast, Book of Mormon references to the second death are embedded in sermons that teach it in context with other essential elements of the plan of salvation. They once held membership in the church (through baptism/confirmation); They had full knowledge of their apostasy from the true and restored church of Jesus Christ; They continue to fight against the LDS Church despite their knowledge. I can give you more than plenty of examples of that. In revealing Satans tactics, Nephi wrote: And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is noneand thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance. What do Mormons believe happened in the pre-existence? The ex-mortal sons of perdition will be resurrected, as will everyone else; but they will finally suffer the second death, the spiritual death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. (Hel. Because reasons. It is, therefore, important to examine carefully the context of each reference. 1. and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell (James 3:6). Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Doctrines of Salvation2:220). . So get what they deserve. Yet how many sins and wrong choices has every humanincluding me and youmade? In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a son of perdition is a person who will not take part in the glory of God in the afterlife. For those who once were baptized and confirmed into Mormonism, what is your status? What qualifies a person to be a Son of Perdition? Each person must reap the harvest of the seeds sown in this life. Just one rebellion. This is the second death. Continuous suffering, however, is reserved only for sons of perditionthose who are still unclean after the final judgment. (You are not one of those spirits since you have a mortal body.). [Discourse given on 20 January 1895.] While many Latter-day Saints bristle at the doctrine of hell (i.e., How could a loving God send His children to such a place?), they may have not considered the fact that these spirits were never given the chance to have a physical body because of the wrong choice they made in the preexistence. I wonder if the language is tripping people up here. Christians have debated for centuries the nature of the hell fire of which Jesus spoke (Matt. Only a handful of "sons of perdition" would go. Another manual states, Baptism is the first saving ordinance of the gospel (see Articles of Faith 1:4). The Book of Mormon speaks of only two groups who inhabit the postmortal spirit world: the righteous, who exist in a state of happiness called paradise; and the wicked, who are consigned to outer darknessthe wicked being those who have been captivated by the devil and who will be resurrected to an endless hell. Horror Short Film "Outer Darkness" | ALTER | Online Premiere 31,262 views Mar 31, 2022 Subscribe to ALTER on YouTube: https://goo.gl/LnXRC3 .more .more 1K Dislike Share Save Description. Both Luther, who taught soul sleep till the resurrection of the dead, and Calvin, who taught the immortal soul, considered the "outer darkness" references in Matthew to refer to the last judgment. Outer Darkness. According to the Doctrine and Covenants, this will be a place that even in outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). The Bible teaches that there is a devil and a hell, but the place of hell in the plan of salvation is taught best by the Book of Mormon. So why dont we get outer darkness too? It occurs in a doctrinal discussion Alma conducted with his son Corianton. And since we know that prophets speaking define it, this is the definition we should use. 20:14), or the outer darkness (Matt. Hence, the very worse lot in their lives will be the telestial kingdom. To look closer at this possibility, lets break humans into two categories: 1) Those who have never been Mormon; 2) Those who are or once were Mormon. That ought to bring a sigh of relief to many who are reading this article! Because of their disobedience, these spirits ended up not receiving bodies, a necessary ingredient to progress to mortality and be qualified for one of the three kingdoms of glory. After the millennium, after the last great battle between the forces of God and the forces of Satan, Satan and his followers will be cast into Outer Darkness. The first example would be spirits from the preexistence who sided with Lucifer rather than Jesus at the Council in Heavenwhere it was decided who would become the Savior of the World. 5:30). Dennis L. Largey was an associate professor of ancient scripture at Brigham Young University when this was published. John the Revelator heard Christ proclaim that he possessed the keys of hell and of death (Rev. Lets go to modern revelation: that there would be no daughters of perdition. Joseph F. Smith Stan Larsen, ed., A Ministry of Meetings: The Diaries of Rudger Clawson, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Smith Associates and Signature Books, 1993) p. 560, Somebody called me up on the telephone and asked if there were daughters of perdition. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God banished entirely from his presence (Ibid.). https://www.mormonwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Outer_Darkness&oldid=27067. there are two answers, one is being cast out of the presence of God which would be a form of darkness and the other is complete darkness without even the spirit of God in a spiritual realm as far as the light has an end, if thats possible. Later in the same discourse Alma blended the doctrines of the Fall, agency, and the second death together as an admonition to keep the commandments of God (see Alma 12:3137). You dont believe it is true, which is the reason why you left. 23:33). It is taught that, in the pre-mortal life, they chose to follow a plan proposed by Satan, rather than that presented by God the Father. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). Those mortals who never join the LDS Church (through baptism) cannot become sons of perdition. Clean and Unclean Also, Joseph confuses things further by combining words typically used with Hell to describe outer darkness: A sinner has his own mind and his own mind damns him. kingdoms of glory. D&C 76 does say telestial people are the ones thrust down to hell and not redeemed until the last resurrection. So I thought Id get it all out there in one simple post. 9:16), unquenchable fire (Mosiah 2:38), and hell fire (3 Ne. Yes, they were said by Prophets of their church. 18:8), hell fire (Matt. Youll never regret it. so we will be able to realistically discuss the likelihood that a person who left the church could ever end up in Outer Darkness. About 74 B.C. So the prophet, meeting with apostles is clear on this, there are women. The Book of Mormon also teaches that by coming unto Christ, one can escape the pains of hell experienced in this life. It even warns its readers to beware of the devils temptation to disbelieve the doctrine of a personal devil and that there is an actual place and/or state called hell. In this parable, a king arranged a wedding for his son, but the normal guests did not come; therefore, the king sent his servants to gather guests from off the street. 20:14). 16:18). Therefore repent ye, repent ye, lest by knowing these things and not doing them ye shall suffer yourselves to come under condemnation, and ye are brought down unto this second death (Hel. The Book of Mormon provides another testament of the reality of a designated place called hell, where the wicked are consigned. 21:8; cf. You'll need to do a few things to get the most out of your ex-Mormon candle. Those in this second group will be resurrected from the dead but will not be redeemed from the second (spiritual) death and cannot dwell in a kingdom of glory (D&C 88:32, 35). Each differing in Glory but all great places to go. For most, outer darkness, the lake of fire, and the second death have an end, but for the sons of perdition these states continue eternally. But the children of the kingdom [i.e., covenant breakers] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? These spirits never received a mortal body necessary to progress to a kingdom of glory. And, if you havent come into relationship with the Jesus of the Bible, I encourage you to do some homework and meet Him. (Selections of Doctrines of Salvation, p. 462. He once said that a person. The New Testament contains four references to the second death, all located in the Revelation of John. The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. Matt. They have said things much stranger and I am sure you know of them. Smith taught: The sons of perdition are those who have had a knowledge of the truth, have known that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, have had the testimony of the Spirit of the Lord, the Holy Ghost, and these things have all been revealed so that they know they are true; and then they turn against them and fight them knowingly. He called the Pharisees and scribes vipers and questioned, How can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matt. Joseph restated that anyone who apostatized from the church was a son of perdition in a poem for W.W. Phelps, Sons of Perdition as those who are ever lost, and can never return to the presence of God, the poem declared that such is the torment apostates receive. (Joseph Smith, The Answer to W.W. Phelps, Esq. In short, Outer Darkness is eternal torture. Temporary abode of the wicked. An in depth look at the Mormon doctrine of hell. Thus, the only mortals who can possibly become sons of perdition must be Latter-day Saints who fall/fell away. ). Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). But what is light? Mormons also believe that those on Earth with bodies can become a Son of Perdition, tho this is difficult to do. So, in conclusion, I would have a hard time believing that you or billions of souls as you put will qualify for perdition even while taking Mormon beliefs into account. He wrote. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. What is the Book of Mormons contribution to our understanding of the New Testaments teachings concerning hell, or that lake of fire John calls the second death (Rev. It is provided through Christ's atonement and received by personal faith in Christ as Savior and Lord. That it is the most severe punishment that can be meted out to man is apparent. This page was last edited on 17 September 2010, at 20:26. Jesus disciples were told not to fear those who could kill the body but to fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. Provo, UT 84602 67, LDS Church Archives. And now behold, I say unto you then cometh a death, even a second death, which is a spiritual death; then is a time that whosoever dieth in his sins, as to a temporal death, shall also die a spiritual death; yea, he shall die as to things pertaining unto righteousness. Please note that FAIRMormon states it is not doctrine on the website. 2:11). Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? 20:13). (see Rom. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! With the exception of those who left the church and later rejoined, every other former Mormon left the church because they believed it is not true. Did I really have full knowledge? Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). Please read, the source above, What is Official LDS Doctrine. Mormonism. Rev. What is the Mormon plan of salvation? And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous; and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire, which ascendeth up unto God forever and ever, and hath no end (1 Ne. 9:16; emphasis added). Even the regular Wikipedia seems confused: Sons of Perdition are: The pre-mortal spirit followers of Satan. Yea, and it bringeth to pass the condition of repentance, that whosoever repenteth the same is not hewn down and cast into the fire; but whosoever repenteth not is hewn down and cast into the fire; and there cometh upon them again a spiritual death, yea, a second death, for they are cut off again as to things pertaining to righteousness. Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation). The apostle John saw the final judgment and wrote of the destiny of the wicked: And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Cannot be saved at the last day; except W.W. Phelps who was classified as such by Joseph and then redeemed, and we should only trust prophets on the matter because they dont conflict, unless they do. Serve Satan. The apostle James taught that the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity . Mormon Wiki, for example has a pretty specific definition of who doesnt go there but lacks any citations: Sons of Perdition as those few souls who have been born on this earth who have been made partakers of Gods power, yet suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy God by denying the Holy Spirit after having received it, denying the Only Begotten Son and put him to an open shame. They openly and knowingly fight against God and Christ, having sided with Satan even though they had once tasted of full gospel knowledge by the power of the Holy Ghost.There are those who fear that they have committed the unpardonable sin, because they have not been faithful members of the Church. The first three are referred to as the three degrees of glory, often compared to the sun, the moon, and the stars ( D&C 76:70, 78, 98 ). (1) We believe in trimming our wicks to 1/4 between each burn. 20:6). Conclusion The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. Over the 30 years in Christian ministry, I have met many former Mormons who once believed in Mormonism, but none has ever confessed that they still believe Mormonism to be true. The Book of Mormon contains one reference to outer darkness. 5:22), as were those who failed to cast away their sins (JSM 5:34; cf. So we can clearly state no women are Sons of Perdition in outer darkness. Alma 40. Even the most evil of people, including Adolph Hitler and those of his ilk, appear to have a place reserved for them in nothing less than the telestial kingdom. 3:12), the tares are gathered and burned in the fire (Matt. ( Miracle of Forgiveness 129-30) The Lord Will Judge For persons not to receive forgiveness neither in this world nor in the world to come does not mean that they will be cast into outer darkness, for the sin of murder can be pardoned even though it is unforgivable. He is damned by mortification and is his own condemner and tormenter. While John could be referring to the sons of perdition in this passage, the specific sins he identified are characteristic of those who will suffer in hell but, after experiencing their part in the lake of fire, will be released from their torment and be resurrected to a telestial glory (see D&C 76:10312). 40 talks in 40 days for General Conference, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Women or not. That Satan rebelled against Christ and God the Father and was cast out with all of Satans followers and will not receive a body. And the definition contains all of the pre-mortal spirits who followed Lucifer, which would imply that God created a lot more male spirits than women spirits and maybe thats why there was a war in Heaven. We probably do not want to know how horrible it is just like in this life, some things that are so horrible that happen (especially to children) wed rather not know about it, if possible. This analysis will first briefly review what we know from the teachings of the Restoration about hell, second death, the lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. Becoming a son of Perdition is hard therefore going to outer darkness is hard. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism). This is the choice of an individual to reject God. In the Latter Day Saint movement, "outer darkness" can refer to hell (the place where the spirits of the wicked reside after death but before the resurrection)[3] or to the place where the sons of perdition will reside. 3. The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10-12. I was taught that to be condemned to outer darkness you would have to deny Christ to his very face and that could occur . The wicked, or in this particular context, the sons of perdition who are filthy still after judgment and resurrection, are assigned to everlasting punishment (see 2 Ne. In the parable of the talents, the returning lord instructed that the wicked and slothful servant who hid his talent in the earth be cast into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. So, in the Mormon view, none of these so-called polygamist marriages are valid, religiously or legally. And if they be evil they are consigned to an awful view of their own guilt and abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into a state of misery and endless torment, from whence they can no more return; therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls. First, LDS Church scripture uses the term outer darkness to refer to a condition in the spirit world. Alma the Younger contributed even more insight on the second death when he gave the wicked people of Ammonihah a detailed description of the fate of those who harden their hearts against the word of God: Then if our hearts have been hardened, yea, if we have hardened our hearts against the word, insomuch that it has not been found in us, then will our state be awful, for then we shall be condemned. After inspecting the intruder, the king instructed his servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. He had a sure witness of the Lord and willfully chose to follow Satan instead. Outer darkness is a place reserved for the Devil, his angels, and the sons of perdition. It is an eternal destination, a place where very few (if any) human beings will ever be sent. King Benjamin defined the cause of this great torment: Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt, and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever. 8:1112). Severe punishment for eternity, reserved for Satan and his demons as well as the sons of perdition, those humans who once embraced Mormonism and left to fight against the faith, even though they knew Mormonism was true. Source: https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf. Though we have this clarity in the scriptures that we carry with us daily, few members are aware that this insight is there." Historic Christianity. In each New Testament passage that speaks of hell (the word hades is neutralneither a place of punishment nor reward but the place of departed spirits) the context associates it with suffering and punishment. Can someone get out of this state of Perdition once they are in it? Often in the scriptures it is difficult to discern which helltemporary or permanentis being spoken of, since many references to hell in the scriptures are used in a nonspecific manner to simply designate a place or state of suffering for the wicked. With the sons of perdition, however, even this blessing is denied. Finally, John saw that death and hell delivered up the dead to be judged according to their works, and death and hell were cast into [a] lake of fire (Rev. . Its just Scary bad. Those who must suffer with Satan for the deeds done in mortality will go with him into outer darkness. One memorable night, he instructed us about the pains of hell. He asked us to imagine being stabbed and having that initial intense pain of the insertion of the knife last for twenty years. To add an RSC website shortcut to your home screen, open the website in the Safari browser. Latter Day Saint beliefs on hell are connected with the movement's doctrines of the plan of salvation, the degrees of glory and the telestial kingdom. Well thats wrapped up as long as no other prophets said oh. Dennis L. Largey, Hell Second Death, Lake of Fire and Brimstone, and Outer Darkness, inThe Book of Mormon and the Message of the Four Gospels, ed. Source: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/sons-of-perdition. And as such I would qualify. Mormons believe we existed before coming to Earth. 9:1012, 1516). (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881.). (See D&C 76:2835, 4448.) 22:13) that awaits the wicked? But as with anything, that doesnt stop prophets from talking about it like they knew. 9:16) after the final judgment. This is full on rejection of God. Banishment into outer darkness. Brigham Young University For many are called, but few are chosen." But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. The kingdom that is not a kingdom of glory is called outer darkness. In the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), "outer darkness" has two separate meanings.. As used in the New Testament, hell is an English word which is translated from two Greek words: hades (used ten times) and geenna (twelve times). But unofficial prophets speaking at BYU or in their own books say no, except Brigham in the Journal of Discourses which is unofficial. New Testament [ edit] 4. He also said,I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. (-Joseph Smith in the King Follett Discourse), There is my definition I used in my previous post. Generally, the outer darkness is thought to be hell; however, many Christians associate the outer darkness more generally as a place of separation from God or from the metaphorical "wedding banquet" that Jesus is expected to have upon his Second Coming. (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220-221). Second, it is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the sons of perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. In Christianity, the "exterior darkness" or outer darkness is a place referred to three times in the Gospel of Matthew (8:12, 22:13, and 25:30) into which a person may be "cast out", and where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth".
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